From Boardroom to Breakthrough: Tony Martignetti’s Path to Purpose

Jackie - 00:00:10:

Welcome to season 10 of Diversity Beyond the Checkbox, proudly presented by The Diversity Movement and part of the Living Corporate Network. I'm your host, Jackie Ferguson, author, business leader, and human rights advocate. In this podcast, we're diving deep into the stories of trailblazers, game changers, and glass ceiling breakers who share insights and professional success and personal development. Thank you for being part of this amazing community. Enjoy the show. Thanks for listening to Diversity Beyond the Checkbox podcast. I'm so glad that you're here. Today, I have Tony Martignetti, leadership coach, best-selling author, podcast host, and speaker on the show. Tony, thank you so much for being here today.

Tony - 00:01:00:

I'm thrilled to be here. I'm looking forward to our conversation.

Jackie - 00:01:03:

Me too. Well, let's jump into it. Tony, will you share with us a little about your background and your journey that led to your current work as a leadership coach?

Tony - 00:01:14:

Yes, it has been an interesting background. You know, I think one of the things that's interesting about me is that I was an artist at first, and that was a... Kind of the goal that I thought I was going to have, that I was going to be this artist who... Creates paintings and drawings and... All these interesting things, but. Then the reality comes in and, as you get prepared for college. A lot of the people who in your life, especially the adults who mean well, start telling you hey, you got to do something that is going to you know, prepare you for the real world.

Jackie - 00:01:50:

Right. You got to get a good job, right?

Tony - 00:01:53:

There you go. So I decided to go pre-med and that would make a lot of sense. I enjoyed the idea of you know, going into the science field because I enjoyed science. But the reality is, as I started to get into the field of, you know, into the studies, cutting people open wasn't really my bag, let's call it that. And so I shifted quickly into business and realized as I got into the real world of work, that I found myself working in biotech, which was really neat, because it kind of married the sciences with the business. And I had a really great career working in that space for 25 years. So it was a wonderful, wonderful experience. But there's also parts of it that people would tell me, like, you know, there's something about you that's different. I think they meant well, hopefully. So, I mean, I'll share a bit more about this, but so here I am, this person who's playing an analytical role. I was doing finance and strategy work in this interesting field that saved lives and worked with some great companies. And what I realized is that this person who was trying to be the numbers guy or the numbers person really had a creative spirit and really had an interest in people more than anything else. And so as time went on, I started to burn out and feel like this sense of like something's missing in my life. Something's missing in my work. And it started to wear me down. And as I felt that, I started to realize, well, I need to figure out what it is that's going to make me come alive and really feel something. And that's where I started to realize that I need to do something about it. That's where I got into this place of leaving the corporate world very ceremoniously, I'll say, because I literally I was sitting in a boardroom of a biotech company. And I was seeing the leaders showing up. And worrying about how they were being seen, whether they were right or wrong. They wanted to be right, of course. And I just looked around the room and saw everyone was checked out completely on their phones, not really paying attention. And I said to myself, this is a shame, a complete shame. And so I decided to get up and walk out and said, I'm done. And at the same time, I said to myself, going to leave this room to change this room. I'm going to change the way leaders show up. And that became the start of a journey for me to become a person who changes the way leaders connect with others and also felt really liberating, even though it was scary at the time.

Jackie - 00:04:47:

Because, Tony, you stood up in that boardroom and said, I'm done. The thing that all of us in our bad job, whenever that was, just dreamed of doing, you actually did it.

Tony - 00:05:04:

Yeah.

Jackie - 00:05:05:

Tell me how that felt.

Tony - 00:05:07:

It felt scary, very scary, but also felt like it was the right thing to do because. You know, I had been through some moments before that, you know, about six months before that, where I was kind of in a dark period and just feeling like completely disconnected to my life. I realized that what am I living for? You know, and I started to make choices that changed the way that I show up. You know, I've been thinking about it a lot lately because I've been thinking about how oftentimes we achieve so much because we feel like we have something to prove. And then you realize, who am I proving it to?

Jackie - 00:05:45:

Yeah. That's true.

Tony - 00:05:47:

Yeah. And if I'm not enjoying. What I'm doing, then I'm the only person I need to prove it to is myself. So I need to start enjoying what I'm doing and do things that light me up, not what make people look at me and say, how great. And that's going to get to the next promotion. And so when you take that shift and you say, is this lighting me up? Is this my definition of success? And that really changes things. And so, you know, leading up to that moment, it gave me the courage to take that one leap of faith and say. Screw it. Pardon my French. But, you know, I'm out of here and this is going to be, I'm going to figure this out. I'll just say one other thing about this, which I think is interesting is that. I had to lean into a lot of emotional courage, the word I use, to be able to be okay with the uncomfortableness of that. It's a lot of emotions that go into the unknown.

Jackie - 00:06:49:

Absolutely. And you know, one of the things, Tony, that we hear a lot about in the workplace is burnout. And oftentimes what we think it is, is that we're being overworked. We're working too many hours, et cetera. But sometimes it's that we're in the wrong role. And we need something different for ourselves. And that's what's creating the burnout.

Tony - 00:07:12:

I love that you share that. It's exactly it. Sometimes I feel like we're, you know, I'm first of all, somebody who's very curious and very much needs some novelty and some different in my life. And I think in some ways, that's what I was craving. Most of all, it was like, it wasn't just the toxic leadership. It was also the sense of needing a feeling of I'm making an impact and it feels real to me. And I can come into work every day and feel like I've, you know, I'm connected to that. I think it was missing. The light had gone out. I often talk about this idea that a lot of us are walking around as like these lanterns that have the light dimmed to bed. And we just continue to live with that. We tolerate that. The reality is we should be sparking that fire inside of us and just letting it flame to the point where it becomes so bright, but not for any other reason than for ourselves.

Jackie - 00:08:13:

I love that. You know, I just think that's so important because so many of us struggle with where we are, where we think we should be, where we want to be, and how to merge all of those together. So I love your story and how you stepped into that. Tony, tell us more about what you're doing now as a leadership coach, as an author. Tell us about that.

Tony - 00:08:36:

Yeah. The biggest thing that I'm working on right now, and I think it really connects with the most important thing right now that I think people need to see is connecting with others. So first of all, connecting with yourself so you can be more aligned with who you really are. And I think for many years, I wasn't being my true self. So it took a lot of courage to even realize becoming more self-aware about who I was. And then realizing that the more we get to know ourselves, then we can connect better with others. And I did a TED Talk a few... About a year ago, I guess, called Don't Check Yourself at the Door, How to Share More of Your True Self. And in the message of the TED Talk and a lot of the other things I do is really about that. We often hold back certain things about who we are because we're afraid. We're afraid of being judged or afraid that it's not going to be accepted by other people.

Jackie - 00:09:35:

Absolutely.

Tony - 00:09:36:

But who does that hurt most? It hurts us.

Jackie - 00:09:39:

That's right. Absolutely. So, Tony, one of the things that you and I talked about in a previous conversation is beginning to connect with our own story. Rather than ignoring it. So let's dig into that a little bit. What are the lessons you've learned through having the courage to share yourself, to live authentically yourself? And then as you're coaching others. What's the advice that you give there for them to connect with their own story?

Tony - 00:10:08:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's such an important part of the work I do. And I think, you know, one of the hardest parts is we move forward. We're always looking forward, but we don't take a moment to really give us the space to think about, like, where am I coming from? And how do I make sure that I've integrated all those pieces together to make sure that I can move forward from a place of power, strength. I shouldn't say power because power seems so like, ooh, power. But we're really talking about coming from a place of.

Jackie - 00:10:41:

Inner power.

Tony - 00:10:41:

Inner power and feeling strong.

Jackie - 00:10:45:

Yes.

Tony - 00:10:46:

So the first thing to do is just look back at some of the things that you've done, accomplished, and that you're proud of. And really doing that inventory of saying, what were the moments along the way, what I call flashpoints, that have ignited your gifts into the world? And really even knowing what are those gifts. And when we do that, we have this sense of connection to, yeah, like I never, I haven't thought about, you know, that moment when, I don't know, I lost a loved one or I lost, I got laid off my first job. And the moments that made me really challenge my very identity. That starts to make you think about like, that was probably the best thing that could have happened to me because it got me thinking differently about what's possible. Or how strong I can be. And those things are great reflections because then you start to realize I've overcome those things. I've learned things about myself and I can take those things with me. Not say, okay, you know, I'm never going there again, you know, never going back there. But instead it's like taking those lessons with you, taking those, those moments and using them into the future. A lot of people who have come on my podcasts have shared stories of, you know, being on the, the verge of, you know, suicidal ideation or having survived cancer. And that changes you. It has to change you because it's a near-death experience that you have to think about, what is it going to do for me to know about what's the post-traumatic growth moment that I'm using here?

Jackie - 00:12:30:

Absolutely. And, you know, I think, Tony, you said so many things that we need to think about. One of which is. Taking time, right? And just that simple thing, taking time to think about, because we don't. We're moving from thing to thing, to person, to obligation, and we're not taking time to take stock of ourselves and say, what matters to me? What fills me with joy? What ignites me? And we need to really make that a priority. I think that's so important.

Tony - 00:13:05:

Yeah.

Jackie - 00:13:06:

Tony, let's talk about your podcast. You mentioned that. Tell us a little bit more about Virtual Campfire Podcast.

Tony - 00:13:14:

Yeah, before we move into that, I just want to say, I also feel like it's so important that we make meaning of all these things that we look back because that's what we crave. We crave meaning through all those moments. And I think that's a lot of what happens when we reflect. And I just love that you went there. But the podcast, you know, interesting thing. So it's called The Virtual Campfire, purposely called The Campfire for a reason, because I feel like that's a place where people feel connected. Tell stories from an intimate space, a place where, you know, stories have been told since the beginning of at least human history. And I think it's something that I really wanted to elicit when people came on, is they feel calm and at peace and in a safe spot to share. Those intimate moments. When I invite people on, it's about just sharing the stories of transformation, the journey that got them to be making such a big impact in the world, because a lot of the people I invite... They've been through a journey and now they're doing really cool things in the world. But knowing that you don't just arrive, right? We don't just arrive as complete badasses. But we have to think about what is it that helps shape us. What's great about the journey that I take people on is the sense of like. Slowing things down, giving them space to reflect on themselves, and realizing sometimes they don't even... Really know how these things have affected them. So it's therapeutic for the guests as well as for the listeners.

Jackie - 00:14:55:

For sure. For sure. You know, that sounds incredible. And it's so important, I think, that we find people or stories that resonate with us and that we can identify with to say, you know, if they were able to accomplish that, if they were able to get through that, I can as well. So it's so inspiring, the folks on your podcast, and I encourage everyone to take a listen. Tony, your latest book, Campfire Lessons for Leaders, let's talk about that. What can we learn from reading that book?

Tony - 00:15:28:

Absolutely. And there's definitely a coincidence here that we have campfires being connected to the podcast. Because what I did is I used a lot of the stories from the podcast to feed into the book. And that came with it a lot of weight because there are these amazing stories. But I wanted to make sure that I handled them with care because they're not just stories you carry lightly. So when I decided to write this book, it was really about capturing how can I help others to really kind of connect with their own stories, but also give them some key lessons that they can use to navigate and connect with their own journey. And some writing prompts and some ways to some questions so they can practically apply it in their own journaling and their own journey. And it really has been, for me, a powerful journey to writing the book. But also when I look at it in hindsight and think about like. What it really opened up for me is a sense of, I didn't know what the book was going to be until it was done. We have great intentions about like, oh, here's the book. And here's all these ideas. And then you write the book and then you realize the book is about something different. And what it was, was just as I said earlier, the sense of connection to yourself. Which then connects you better with others. It's the other part that is really the difference maker.

Jackie - 00:17:02:

Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, that's such a good point because you really have to. Be one at ease with yourself, be comfortable with yourself in order to create those authentic connections with others. And I think that, you know, in our society, that's something that we're missing. We're just moving too fast. We're so digital and we're not taking the time to understand ourselves and understand other people. And if we were to take more time with that, I think we'd have a... A better world.

Tony - 00:17:35:

I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. And that's why I'm always advocating for that. Like, you know, what is the, how can you dig a little deeper in the conversation, get to know a person on a personal level, as opposed to, you know, often in networking, and I do a lot of talking about networking in general, we talk about things on the surface. We talk about titles. You know, we spend the first seven seconds of every interaction trying to impress.

Jackie - 00:18:02:

Yes. Absolutely.

Tony - 00:18:02:

Stop that.

Jackie - 00:18:05:

I totally agree. You know, we're not asking each other questions like, what excites you? What do you enjoy doing? Right. It's always, you know, name, rank and serial number type. Right. And, and there's just so much more to us as individuals than, than what we do and where we do it. And so I think that's so important. Tony, let's talk a little about your work with leaders and your work as a leadership coach. In your experience, what are some challenges that leaders face when trying to cultivate a strong and cohesive team? And how do you recommend overcoming those challenges?

Tony - 00:18:47:

Yeah. I mean, first and foremost, there's a sense of like, you know, what I'm putting out, are they receiving it? Is it, you know, is the language and the words that I'm using, is it connecting with the team? You know, so this word of connection comes up a lot. But I think that's, it's true that sometimes we feel like we're doing the right things. But in reality, it's not always received in the same way. And so the best way for us to get more in tune with the people is to intentionally spend time truly getting to understand them and get to know their style and get to know what they're all about and what motivates them, what makes them come alive, as we say in the conversation. So having that foundational connection and that trust that gets built with teams in general allows you to be able to say, OK, I know I can't do, you know, I'm not going to come in and have this like artificial approach to leading everyone in the same way. What I need to do is be myself, but also be myself in relation to other people. Make sure that I'm cognizant of other people's styles, cognizant of who they are, and make sure I approach them in a way that's going to help them connect with me. That's not being phony. It's not about you trying to be someone else. It's about adapting. Your own style so that it's aligned with who you're talking to.

Jackie - 00:20:19:

Absolutely. Absolutely. And Tony, let's talk about the significance of self-awareness, right? So part of being that type of leader is to be self-aware. What tips do you have for developing this quality of self-awareness?

Tony - 00:20:37:

Yeah. I mean, one of the first things that I always say is to start with, like, start writing things down that you, you know, what are the values and things that you've ever, that you've recognized about yourself? You know, what are the things that you truly believe in? And it's just writing things down starts with like, starts to have you think differently. Like, oh my God, I hadn't thought about that because I'm writing it down. It has me forcing myself to really put pen to paper and get my thoughts out. If I only say, okay, think about it from time to time, it never gets codified, never gets really, you know, reflected back at you. So as much as people say like, oh, that sounds like a, you know, pretty silly thing to do, just writing it down, it's going to change things. No, it's not going to change things, but it's a starting point where you get something reflected back at you that says. Oh, my values say that I value, you know, you know, you know, say like people, positivity or, you know, whatever. And you say, okay, well, so if that's what I say I value, how am I acting in accordance with that? How am I acting in accordance with what I say I value?

Jackie - 00:21:44:

Absolutely. You know, I agree. That's so important. And taking time to do that, just even for myself. I've recently done that with some of the work that I'm doing in the diversity movement and understanding that I value reliability and I value professional integrity before almost anything else, including capability, which can come after that, right? You can learn things, but that professional integrity, it's either there or it's not. And so there are things for me that were a surprise to really dig into. So I think that's such a great thing for leaders to do and understand what they value so that they can, with their teams, just understand what their propensity is to say, you know, I like working with this person and then other things to say, okay, I need to spend more time. Developing this person. Right. And so I think that's so important.

Tony - 00:22:44:

I want to add just one other thing.

Jackie - 00:22:45:

Yes, please do.

Tony - 00:22:46:

I always get more to say.

Jackie - 00:22:47:

I love it.

Tony - 00:22:48:

Especially once you go. I feel like there's more I want to add. But I think around values, exploration, and in general, like being able to unearth these things, the best thing you can also include here is this idea of like, what's a story that embodies this? And where did it come from? Is there an origin story for my reason why I value integrity? You know, was it something that came from my upbringing or was it something where I worked with a lot of people with no integrity and therefore I now feel like integrity is so important to me? You know, those stories help not only for you to make sure you say, yes, that's exactly why I feel that way. And it also helps you if you need to communicate it to others to say, this is where it comes from.

Jackie - 00:23:38:

Yes, that's absolutely true, Tony. Thank you for sharing that. Tony, as a coach, what are some common misconceptions that people have about coaching? And how do you clarify those or dispel those misconceptions?

Tony - 00:23:55:

That we have all the answers. Coaches don't have all the answers. And I think the key thing is, is that we create a space for good questions. Get on earth and then co-creating that that opportunity for the answers to come up. The co-creation between the coach and the coachee, which I think is a beautiful thing. And I love this idea of co-creation. When I think about the idea of each conversation is almost like a blank canvas that's ready to be painted. And, you know, what it needs is it needs. The different colors to come on the, on the canvas from different, two different artists, which is really cool.

Jackie - 00:24:44:

Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that's such a great way to describe it. You know, if we were to work together, you can't paint my whole canvas. I have to be the one to paint, but you're providing the paint, you're giving direction for how it should be painted and what, you know, kind of things I should be looking at and color combinations and all of those things, right? So I think that's so great. Tony, looking ahead, what trends or developments do you anticipate in the realm of leadership and personal development? And how do you think those will shape the future of work?

Tony - 00:25:25:

Well, there's a few different things that come to mind. And one that has always been there, but people have to be more aware of now. Being able to hold paradoxes more closely. I mean, we're having to be... Be able to live in two different places at the same time, meaning to be able to hold people accountable and to be compassionate at the same time and to know when we need to be a little more one or the other, to be comfortable with the unknown, but also be able to have some clarity and to drive clarity. And that is like sometimes has to happen in the same sentence. So, you know, you need to be able to have that. And with this navigating paradoxes or polarities, I guess it'd be probably more likely the better way to say it, is this ability to communicate well. Communication is going to be so critical, especially in the world of AI. And making connection with others is going to be so critical. So even more than communication, it's this ability to connect. Because even if AI is able to do a lot of the things that we need to do, Being able to communicate to others what you need from them, even if it means it's going to be fed into a bot, it still requires connection, humanity.

Jackie - 00:26:49:

Absolutely. Yeah. Tony, I totally agree with that. You know, one of the things in using AI that I notice is you have to be very intentional about what you put in. Right? And then also what comes out because you've got to create, you can take that as a frame, but you've got to create that connection and that feeling and the authenticity from it, or it sounds robotic.

Tony - 00:27:20:

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And I love that you use the word intention. I often overuse the term because I think there's something about it that people go into things and they feel like, okay, we're just going to rinse, wash, and repeat, rinse, wash, and repeat. And it's like a pattern. We have to get out of patterns and say, why am I doing this? What do I want to communicate? What is it that people need to feel? When I tell them something. And that is where we need to make sure we're continuing to communicate the emotion. Intentionally telling people what it is that I want to share with you through these conversations.

Jackie - 00:27:59:

I love that. And that's such a great question. What do people need to feel? And Tony, you've written extensively about leadership and personal development. What are some of the key principles that you believe are effective for leadership today?

Tony - 00:28:17:

Yeah. One of the first ones I'll start with is inspiring people. I mean, I think it's important to find ways to inspire people, give them hope. That there's a reason for us to continue doing what we're doing. Because, you know, there's a lot of things that are dragging us down and a lot of things to... To get kind of demotivated by. But when you can inspire people with a vision that says like, hey, this is where we're going. We don't have all the answers, but that's okay. But if you like what we're talking about here, then this is going to be a great journey. We're going to have fun together. We're going to figure it out together. And that inspiration is such a crucial part of being a good leader. And then the other thing is communication. We talked about communication a lot. And being someone others can trust, which doesn't mean you tell them all the things that they want to hear. Sometimes it's about telling them the things that they may not be ready for.

Jackie - 00:29:21:

Yeah. Absolutely. And you know, trust is a new. Word when it comes to leadership, right? It's always been very top down. I've got all the answers. Don't worry. I'll let you know what to do, right? And trust is really about vulnerability. It's about authenticity. And it's about saying when, you know, you've made a mistake and how you're going to correct it or saying. You know, I don't know the answer. I don't have it all figured out. And that's okay. And I think that's what employees and professionals are looking for now is a really good combination of someone that they can look at to inspire them and someone that they can connect with. Back to your earlier conversation. And it's so important. And it's different, right? We're having to make this shift as leaders. And it's very different from when I entered into the workplace, which was very much a top-down style. It's really so much more about... Creating those authentic relationships and connections. And being vulnerable with your employee base and transparent. So I think you're so right there.

Tony - 00:30:41:

Yeah, there's something I just, you know, when you talk about trust and vulnerability, it's so great that you bring those together because it's so true. I mean, in essence, trust is just that making yourself vulnerable to somebody else. And I think when people think of it that way, it takes on a whole new meaning. I mean, I think, you know, it's always at that meeting, but I think when we really look at it that way. Um then you wouldn't use trust so lightly. You would actually want to, you know, give it a little more weight and see, what am I really doing when I trust somebody?

Jackie - 00:31:15:

Absolutely. Absolutely. Tony, what is on the horizon for you?

Tony - 00:31:24:

Well, I do have one more book in me, I think. So that'll be one thing. But also, you know, for me, I want to get some in real life, some IRL. Experiences together. And I'm going to do something called Campfires of Connection, which is a follow-on from my book. That basically is all about having these experiences where people can come together and share who they are with their colleagues and explore how to build better connections in the workplace so they can have more progress and innovation and all the things that they want. But it starts with that sense of how do we come together and share who we are with each other?

Jackie - 00:32:07:

I love that. I think that that's so needed because When you're thinking about collaboration and innovation in the workplace, you have to first feel safe to be able to share and to be able to have an idea and it not be the best idea, right? But all of those iterations are important. I feel like we're getting further and further away as a society of being connected to each other. And we need a little bit of help. So I'm really excited about what you're doing next because... You need that kind of guide, right? Feel a little bit more comfortable being uncomfortable and stepping into that. So I think that's fantastic.

Tony - 00:32:56:

Yeah, we need some emotional courage to get out there and try new things and be able to share things that we're not comfortable doing. But at the end, we know there's something about that that is going to bond us.

Jackie - 00:33:08:

Tony, in your work as a leadership coach, what are one or two things that you can share with us leaders that we need to know right now to be better leaders in this space?

Tony - 00:33:20:

It's a great question. One of them that comes to mind right now is this idea that there's a lot of silos being built, functional silos and different group silos. And the reality is that those silos don't serve anyone. They, they, what they often do is they create this sense of like. You know, redundancies and a lot of like infighting that really at the end of the day, we just have to stop. I mean, why are we here? We have to have a united front. And so ultimately you know, breaking down some of those barriers and making sure that teams are not just, you know, one size fits all. They have to be really diverse. And really making sure we have teams that are kind of crossing through the different barriers. Because ultimately, that allows the enterprise to win, not just the function to win. And so I think leaders need to be thinking, not just what's best for me or my function, what's best for us as a company, and even more so, what's best for the society?

Jackie - 00:34:27:

Yes, that's fantastic. Tony, as we begin to wrap up, what is the message that you want to leave our listeners with today?

Tony - 00:34:37:

I love this message particularly because I think it's something a little bit different than what we talked about so far. But it's also something that will help people in this moment of maybe feeling stuck or maybe feeling like they're not connected to what they want. And that is expand your vision, narrow your focus. And the reason why I say that is expand your vision is about. Really taking a moment to step away from whatever it is that you feel stuck in. And explore options. You know, know that there's possibilities. There's more possibilities out there than we care to even imagine. And once you find some new options, then get narrow, you know, focus on that thing. You don't have to do it all, but you can do it. One thing. And that one thing could be the potential thing that is going to take you to the next level. So give that a go.

Jackie - 00:35:30:

Absolutely. I love that. Thank you for that, Tony. And how can listeners learn more about your work and get in touch with you?

Tony - 00:35:38:

Well, the best place to find me is my website, which is iPurposePartners.com. And if you go there, you'll find my assessments, my podcasts, and all the other fun things that I offer up. So please check me out there. And then also on LinkedIn. So I'm very active on LinkedIn.

Jackie - 00:35:57:

Amazing. Tony, thank you so much. This has been such a great conversation. I appreciate it.

Tony - 00:36:03:

Thank you so much. It's been really wonderful. Thanks for having me.

Jackie - 00:36:09:

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